WHO has provided a guide for HC workers regarding appropriate PPE when caring for patients suspected of being infevted with Ebola. I am sure Emory Healthcare in Atlanta Ga would also share best practices with you

Kathy Dayvault RN BSN MPH COHN-S/CM

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Date:10/15/2014 13:30 (GMT-06:00)

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Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] MCOH-EH Digest, Vol 247, Issue 14

I wish this group would weigh in on the Ebola issue here!
This has caught many facilities off guard and administration, IC, Epidemiology, are scrambling to produce effective policies and procedures for protecting HCW with this outbreak.
The fact that the information going form the CDC is conflicted and still evolving makes me uneasy as to what should be the most effective treatment, protection, and information we can give our employees and patients.
If the group has anything to share, it would be most appreciated.

Cheryl J Marenick RN BSN MPH CN3
UCONN Health
Occupational Medicine/Employee Health Services
Farmington, CT 06033-6210
Ph (860)679-8327
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   4. Re: Ebola infected HCW (Hudson, T. Warner)
   5. Re: Ebola infected HCW (Johnson, Cathreen)
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:30:58 -0400
From: "Band, Michael DO" <MBand@watsonclinic.com>
To: 'MCOH/EH' <mcoh-eh@mylist.net>
Subject: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
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I thought I would start the discussion on this topic. I am surprised how quiet we are.

Something about Ebola does not pass my "sniff test." I have always been disturbed that HCWs have been infected from patient care in Africa and now one of our HCWs has become infected. Are we missing something?

I told our committee reviewing Ebola planning I disagreed with the Ebola PPE removal process as recommended by CDC. They recommend removing gloves first and then removing rest of PPE with bare hand.   Seems like double gloving or donning a new pair of gloves would be better, then last step removing second set of gloves.

Is the spread through contact source still apply? Are we missing something?

Michael Band DO, MS
Watson Clinic
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:52:33 -0400
From: Mark Catlin <mark.catlin@seiu.org>
To: "MCOH/EH" <mcoh-eh@mylist.net>
Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
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Thanks Michael for starting this discussion.

With the Ebola transmission to the nurse in Texas over the weekend, this issue requires discussion from groups like this one.

While some of our hospital employers are stepping up and trying to figure out the complex site specific procedures and policies to implement the CDC guidance for Ebola (or better), other hospitals are doing nothing or next to nothing to prepare. Without these site specific plans, no amount of training of front-line healthcare workers, no amount of care taken by workers or wearing of PPE will be effective.

Many lesson have been learned that could be useful to consider from those in the environmental field over the past 30 years regarding donning, wearing and working in and doffing of contaminated PPE and equipment.

I look forward to sharing good ideas and solutions and learning lessons from everyone.

Sincerely,

Mark Catlin

Health and Safety Director
SEIU
1800 Massachusetts Ave NW
Washington, DC 20036
(202) 730 - 7290
(202) 436 - 0856 cell
mark.catlin@seiu.org

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Band, Michael DO <MBand@watsonclinic.com>
wrote:

> I thought I would start the discussion on this topic. I am surprised
> how quiet we are.
>
>
>
> Something about Ebola does not pass my ?sniff test.? I have always
> been disturbed that HCWs have been infected from patient care in
> Africa and now one of our HCWs has become infected. Are we missing something?
>
>
>
> I told our committee reviewing Ebola planning I disagreed with the
> Ebola PPE removal process as recommended by CDC. They recommend removing gloves
> first and then removing rest of PPE with bare hand.   Seems like double
> gloving or donning a new pair of gloves would be better, then last
> step removing second set of gloves.
>
>
>
> Is the spread through contact source still apply? Are we missing something?
>
>
>
> Michael Band DO, MS
>
> Watson Clinic
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:51:01 +0000
From: "Thrasher, Terri" <Terri.Thrasher@cchmc.org>
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Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
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At Cincinnati Children's we are planning double gloving so that one set of gloves is removed at the end of the doffing

From: MCOH-EH [mailto:mcoh-eh-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Band, Michael DO
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 5:31 PM
To: 'MCOH/EH'
Subject: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW

I thought I would start the discussion on this topic. I am surprised how quiet we are.

Something about Ebola does not pass my "sniff test." I have always been disturbed that HCWs have been infected from patient care in Africa and now one of our HCWs has become infected. Are we missing something?

I told our committee reviewing Ebola planning I disagreed with the Ebola PPE removal process as recommended by CDC. They recommend removing gloves first and then removing rest of PPE with bare hand.   Seems like double gloving or donning a new pair of gloves would be better, then last step removing second set of gloves.

Is the spread through contact source still apply? Are we missing something?

Michael Band DO, MS
Watson Clinic

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From: "Hudson, T. Warner" <TWHudson@mednet.ucla.edu>
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Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
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Same at UCLA; monitor for donning, use and doffing; 2:1 nurse: patient ratio; CAPRs (Maxair) in ICU care team, dedicated ebola team, and probably N95 for others in addition to the rest of the full PPE.   I noticed WHO has convened a group of about a dozen top experts to relook a the science; as I recall Peter Piot is chairing it, and I see CDC is relooking at best approach: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/10/ebola-texas-nurse-triggers-changes-battle-plan. This is one of those things we need to get right and learn from what's not working as we want.

T. Warner Hudson, MD FACOEM, FAAFP
Medical Director, Occupational and Employee Health UCLA Health System and Campus Office 310.825.9146 Fax 310.206.4585 Pager 800.233.7231 ID 27132 E-mail twhudson@mednet.ucla.edu<mailto:twhudson@mednet.ucla.edu>
Website www.ohs.uclahealth.org<http://www.ohs.uclahealth.org>

From: MCOH-EH [mailto:mcoh-eh-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Thrasher, Terri
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:51 PM
To: MCOH/EH
Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW

At Cincinnati Children's we are planning double gloving so that one set of gloves is removed at the end of the doffing

From: MCOH-EH [mailto:mcoh-eh-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Band, Michael DO
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 5:31 PM
To: 'MCOH/EH'
Subject: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW

I thought I would start the discussion on this topic. I am surprised how quiet we are.

Something about Ebola does not pass my "sniff test." I have always been disturbed that HCWs have been infected from patient care in Africa and now one of our HCWs has become infected. Are we missing something?

I told our committee reviewing Ebola planning I disagreed with the Ebola PPE removal process as recommended by CDC. They recommend removing gloves first and then removing rest of PPE with bare hand.   Seems like double gloving or donning a new pair of gloves would be better, then last step removing second set of gloves.

Is the spread through contact source still apply? Are we missing something?

Michael Band DO, MS
Watson Clinic

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:52:47 -0700
From: "Johnson, Cathreen" <CaJohnson@coh.org>
To: "MCOH/EH" <mcoh-eh@mylist.net>
Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
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Hello,

Not sure about protocol with the list. May I forward these emails to my Infection Prevention team? Thank you for the discussion.

Thank you,

Cathreen Johnson FNPc
Employee Health
City of Hope
________________________________________
From: MCOH-EH [mcoh-eh-bounces+cajohnson=coh.org@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Hudson, T. Warner [TWHudson@mednet.ucla.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:58 PM
To: MCOH/EH
Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW

Same at UCLA; monitor for donning, use and doffing; 2:1 nurse: patient ratio; CAPRs (Maxair) in ICU care team, dedicated ebola team, and probably N95 for others in addition to the rest of the full PPE.   I noticed WHO has convened a group of about a dozen top experts to relook a the science; as I recall Peter Piot is chairing it, and I see CDC is relooking at best approach: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/10/ebola-texas-nurse-triggers-changes-battle-plan. This is one of those things we need to get right and learn from what?s not working as we want.

T. Warner Hudson, MD FACOEM, FAAFP
Medical Director, Occupational and Employee Health UCLA Health System and Campus Office 310.825.9146 Fax 310.206.4585 Pager 800.233.7231 ID 27132 E-mail twhudson@mednet.ucla.edu<mailto:twhudson@mednet.ucla.edu>
Website www.ohs.uclahealth.org<http://www.ohs.uclahealth.org>

From: MCOH-EH [mailto:mcoh-eh-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Thrasher, Terri
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:51 PM
To: MCOH/EH
Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW

At Cincinnati Children?s we are planning double gloving so that one set of gloves is removed at the end of the doffing

From: MCOH-EH [mailto:mcoh-eh-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Band, Michael DO
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 5:31 PM
To: 'MCOH/EH'
Subject: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW

I thought I would start the discussion on this topic. I am surprised how quiet we are.

Something about Ebola does not pass my ?sniff test.? I have always been disturbed that HCWs have been infected from patient care in Africa and now one of our HCWs has become infected. Are we missing something?

I told our committee reviewing Ebola planning I disagreed with the Ebola PPE removal process as recommended by CDC. They recommend removing gloves first and then removing rest of PPE with bare hand.   Seems like double gloving or donning a new pair of gloves would be better, then last step removing second set of gloves.

Is the spread through contact source still apply? Are we missing something?

Michael Band DO, MS
Watson Clinic

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:30:22 +0000
From: "Swift, Melanie" <melanie.swift@Vanderbilt.Edu>
To: MCOH/EH <mcoh-eh@mylist.net>
Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
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Yes, unless the person who shared expressly requests not to share. In which case they'd probably not post it!

Melanie Swift, MD
Medical Director, Vanderbilt Occupational Health Clinic occupationalhealth.vanderbilt.edu

Excuse any typos please - Sent from my iPad.

> On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:54 PM, Johnson, Cathreen <CaJohnson@coh.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Not sure about protocol with the list. May I forward these emails to my Infection Prevention team? Thank you for the discussion.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Cathreen Johnson FNPc
> Employee Health
> City of Hope
> ________________________________________
> From: MCOH-EH [mcoh-eh-bounces+cajohnson=coh.org@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Hudson, T. Warner [TWHudson@mednet.ucla.edu]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:58 PM
> To: MCOH/EH
> Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
>
> Same at UCLA; monitor for donning, use and doffing; 2:1 nurse: patient ratio; CAPRs (Maxair) in ICU care team, dedicated ebola team, and probably N95 for others in addition to the rest of the full PPE.   I noticed WHO has convened a group of about a dozen top experts to relook a the science; as I recall Peter Piot is chairing it, and I see CDC is relooking at best approach: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/10/ebola-texas-nurse-triggers-changes-battle-plan. This is one of those things we need to get right and learn from what?s not working as we want.
>
> T. Warner Hudson, MD FACOEM, FAAFP
> Medical Director, Occupational and Employee Health UCLA Health System
> and Campus Office 310.825.9146 Fax 310.206.4585 Pager 800.233.7231 ID
> 27132 E-mail twhudson@mednet.ucla.edu<mailto:twhudson@mednet.ucla.edu>
> Website www.ohs.uclahealth.org<http://www.ohs.uclahealth.org>
>
> From: MCOH-EH [mailto:mcoh-eh-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
> Thrasher, Terri
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:51 PM
> To: MCOH/EH
> Subject: Re: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
>
> At Cincinnati Children?s we are planning double gloving so that one
> set of gloves is removed at the end of the doffing
>
> From: MCOH-EH [mailto:mcoh-eh-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Band,
> Michael DO
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 5:31 PM
> To: 'MCOH/EH'
> Subject: [MCOH-EH] Ebola infected HCW
>
> I thought I would start the discussion on this topic. I am surprised how quiet we are.
>
> Something about Ebola does not pass my ?sniff test.? I have always been disturbed that HCWs have been infected from patient care in Africa and now one of our HCWs has become infected. Are we missing something?
>
> I told our committee reviewing Ebola planning I disagreed with the Ebola PPE removal process as recommended by CDC. They recommend removing gloves first and then removing rest of PPE with bare hand.   Seems like double gloving or donning a new pair of gloves would be better, then last step removing second set of gloves.
>
> Is the spread through contact source still apply? Are we missing something?
>
> Michael Band DO, MS
> Watson Clinic
>
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