[MCOH-EH] [EXTERNAL] Re: TB testing (TST): tuberculin skin testing
Marshall, Robert
rmarshall at mhemail.org
Mon Mar 18 07:24:01 PDT 2024
We too switched to IGRA’s and the net cost was about the same following the same thought process noted by Jennifer.
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Darryl,
When we transitioned to IGRA, In addition to the cost of the TST, I included the cost of the nurse’s time to place and read as well as the time for the employee to be away from the workplace to complete the TST placement and read. I estimated 10 minutes for each visit for the nurse and employee. This helped to offset the cost and the rest was justified by higher accuracy, industry standard comparison and increased efficiency of the workflow.
Hope this helps you to support the transition.
Jennifer
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Yes, I know all this and have this as an option but it is 4x the cost of a TST. SO I wanted to help our employers / businesses out by being cost minded and the ONLY reason I asked this question was finding out about how you all handle interpretation if you aren’t around to read it.
THANKS for the input
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Hello Darryl and all,I am potentially no help at all... but all of the logistic and medical (lack of follow-up, documentations and recording challenges, quality challenges) are alleviated by using an IGRA blood test. May I ask why you don't do that and if there is anything I
Hello Darryl and all,
I am potentially no help at all... but all of the logistic and medical (lack of follow-up, documentations and recording challenges, quality challenges) are alleviated by using an IGRA blood test. May I ask why you don't do that and if there is anything I can do to discuss the possibility with you or your clinic?
We eliminated TST testing all together on January 1, 2009 and have never done one since then. PLEASE feel free to contact me if there's room for discussion on use, location, cost, efficiency etcetera!
To answer these below:
1. No
a. No
b. The standard is to use IGRAs: since 2017 when the joint CDC/ ATS/ IDSA /ACOEM guidances were written that say "IGRA is preferred over TST IN ALL SETTINGS" for many reasons, including the ones you raise above. But first and foremost because it is much more reliable, and MMR/VZV titres are usually being drawn anyway.
I suppose it'd be fine to do in separate places if you're still using TST, you'd just need good documentation.
Or.... do a QFT/TSPOT and then the whole problem goes away?! :)
2. Because of incubation availability, draw IGRA's until 2pm Friday and then we give the lab a few hours to process it.
I don't mean to be a pain, I mean to be helpful. Let me know if there's more I can do to help you get out from under TSTs.
Best always,
Wendy
Wendy Thanassi MD, MA, MRO
VA Palo Alto HCS
On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 10:09 AM Lesoski, Darryl via MCOH-EH <mcoh-eh at mylist.net<mailto:mcoh-eh at mylist.net>> wrote:
Couple of questions: THANKS for any input, feedback, suggestions!
1. Does any provider or clinic place TSTs for patients and let them go elsewhere for the read/interpretation?
a. What is our liability if we administer the TST, but allow interpretation elsewhere?
b. What is the current practice standard for administration and interpretation of a TST? They should always be done in the same clinic/practice? Or can they be completed at 2 separate and non-related clinics/practices?
2. Does any provider or clinic NOT place TSTs on THURSDAYs because you are not available on the Saturday or Sunday to provider the interpretation?
We have created some scenarios with the guidance/recommendations at our medical center that hampers our clinical operations to outside clients/businesses and want to know what the rest of you are all doing 😊
Personally, I have no qualms letting my staff administer the TST and allowing the individual to go elsewhere for interpretation (but then again, I may be a little more “liberal” in my practice processes than others).
THANKS for the reply and appreciate your input. Darryl
Darryl Lesoski, MD, MPH, FACOEM
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