[CASL-L] Permission to link

[Shelley Stedman]

Hello All:  Just weighing in on the issue for Bev and her friend - Stephanie and Jacquelyn are entirely correct.  As frustrating as it might be….In most of the courses that I have taken, both instructors and educator classmates seem to think that it is only a “courtesy" to ask for permission to link to something posted on the internet and definitely not required. And, if you make a stink about it, you are regarded as some kind of luddite! As Stephanie P. says, this is indeed shaky ground in the age of curation…..

In addition, here is a link to what Stanford and case law actually says about posting links to information on the web “without permission”. https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/linking/  (I did not ask to link to this and I think most of you would agree that it is NOT necessary).  I am not making any money, just sharing what I found!

If the information for the citation is there….you don’t have to ask!  Many people who are writing on the internet think that individuals should be flattered if someone links to their information because obviously, if they have posted on the internet, they want people to read it!

Please note - for Richard Byrne (who does a great job on his site and is well respected, I believe, for what he writes about tech for education)and also Bev’s friend…I am not advocating that quotations or paraphrased information is shared without proper citations.
I am also with Richard about the teacher’s pay teacher’s site - Richard clearly has a case if someone is selling his work!  I absolutely support letting people know where you learned about a new tool (it even lends credibility to the discussion).  But, as an attendee of many sessions at conferences, sometimes my note taking is terrible, my device has died, I lost my pen and I don’t remember “the guy” that talked about a tech tool….notice, I am saying "talked" - not wrote….

Unfortunately, with a monetized site like Richard’s, it is all about the number of visits to his site and if another person has a popular blog and the reader can go to the recommended tool, based upon Richard’s recommendation - without going to Richard’s site first, he does lose money and I agree that it would be very aggravating for me if I was trying to earn my living that way.  But…if a person says he/she got the information from XXX and includes a link to XXX's article,  - legally,I don’t believe there is much that can be done.

And indeed, like Jackie says, if you don’t want it widely “shared” - you shouldn’t post it on the internet!  It is just like what we tell our students about social media…”if you would be embarrassed if your grandmother sees it, don’t post it”.


On Jan 28, 2018, at 1:22 PM, STEPHANIE PATTERSON <spatterson at southingtonschools.org<mailto:spatterson at southingtonschools.org>> wrote:

I think there’s a significant gap between what is politely permissible and what is not. I see this as fluid shaky ground and there are plenty of opinions.

If a request is made to take something down that was shared without permission, it ought to be granted. Conversely, given the Wild West nature of the online world, we implicitly assume the risk that it will be shared with a wider audience because that is the territory.

If the recipient will not honor the request as completely as the sender wishes in hindsight, perhaps it is a cautionary tale to clearly label your post with share parameters. However, one has to wonder why the change of heart for sender and half-hearted compliance for the recipient and that is usually associated with financial gain or concern for reputation.

Where to go from there? Hire a lawyer? Not practical for many. Play nice to cajole the recipient to take it down? But isn’t it out there forever in some form anyway? Or post on blogs with independent moderators? Or be more cautious about what you post? Stop posting there? Stop posting altogether? Make a bigger deal about it? Let it fade away?

Sometimes the internet just isn’t the best forum...

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On Jan 28, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Jacquelyn Whiting <jacquelynwhiting at gmail.com<mailto:jacquelynwhiting at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, Bev

Richard Byrne writes about this issue with some regularity. Here is a post he made in 2013<http://www.freetech4teachers.com/2013/06/fair-use-copyright-and-educational.html#.Wm3aQKhKu70>. And this rant is from 2016<http://www.freetech4teachers.com/2016_09_10_archive.html>. (He calls it a rant and says he will continue to rant as long as the problem persists.) Hope Richard's advice is helpful.

Jackie

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On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Bev Bjorklund <bjorklundb at newtown.k12.ct.us<mailto:bjorklundb at newtown.k12.ct.us>> wrote:
Hi all,
An author friend has a question regarding a post on a blog. I’m copying the question but I am not including any names to protect privacy of all involved.
If you have any input, please post here.

This is the question:
Question for the Hivemind: Someone has published a letter that I wrote on his blog without my permission. Initially, he linked to my website. I think he thought he was doing me a favor because he let me know about the post.
When I told him that I did not grant him permission to publish it, he removed my name and the link to my website, but I am not satisfied with that. I want him to remove the entire post. When I explained why, he removed additional bits of my letter, but I'm still not satisfied. I didn't give him permission to publish any of it. What can I do?

Thanks,
Bev Bjorklund
Head O’Meadow Elementary School
Newtown, CT


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